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>> that's true. a broader important point is that mueller has a lot of information about michael cohen and i think that is going to be a very fruitful area of inquiry and all of this is really a lot of legal jeopardy for the president. we can talk about the politics of issues but legal jeopardy is a very different issue. and the closer he gets to legal jeopardy, the more difficult it is. >> is this why all of a sudden he's more willing if not eager to make a deal with the u.s. attorney in new york? >> sure. they went into his office. they got a lot of his files. his computer data. he's concern...

Willingly engaged in the kind of contact that is absolutely illegal, so this notion of him as a dupe is just ridiculous. he's an adult male who should be judged that way. one other quick thing about michael cohen. we have been talking about michael cohen in the context of stormy daniels. i just want to remind viewers that michael cohen is mentioned four times in the steele dossier. the idea that michael cohen is a fixer on the stormy daniels front for trump but not in some ways implicated in the other stuff mueller is looking at is ridiculous. he's a key player across both sides of all the tro...

Willingly engaged in the kind of contact that is absolutely illegal, so this notion of him as a dupe is just ridiculous. he's an adult male who should be judged that way. one other quick thing about michael cohen. we have been talking about michael cohen in the context of stormy daniels. i just want to remind viewers that michael cohen is mentioned four times in the steele dossier. the idea that michael cohen is a fixer on the stormy daniels front for trump but not in some ways implicated in the other stuff mueller is looking at is ridiculous. he's a key player across both sides of all the tro...

Of how you see the various tracks of this, russian investigation and also financial. >> sure. i don't think that asking kushner about his role in the firing of comey necessarily does anything to advance the obstruction of justice claim. obstruction of justice claim is really on the president and what he did to interfere with the investigation. i think it's on the margins relevant to that. we'll see whether or not mueller thinks that firing of comey, asking of his national security team to get out in front of the media on this story, also to ask comey to stand down the investigation, whether he...

During the break and if you could kind of give an overview of how you see the various tracks of this as both russia investigation and also financial. >> sure. i don't think that asking kushner about his role in the firing of comey necessarily does anything to advance the obstruction of justice claim. the obstruction of justice claim is really on the president and what he did to interfere with the investigation. i think, you know, it's on the margins relevant to that. and we'll see whether or not mueller thinks that the firing of comey, the asking of his national security team to get out in fro...