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Say donald trump is drying undermine democracy, you cannot make this stuff up, we have conflicting testimony, head of capitol hill police said he talked to sergeant at arms about a national guard there, police chief said that head of sergeant of arms said that pelosi's office do not like the optics national guards, you have conflicting testimony. guess when one has been willing to testify and turnover the documents, the one who said he asked for national guard, the other because speaker office will not let him has not turned over the documents requested by the republican, that is directly sena...

I stand by the reporting. >> maggie, your book looks at the entire range of donald trump's career, not just the presidency, and i do understand there was a tendency to destroy documents in various ways. i know flushing was one of them before he was president, during or after, but certainly while he was president, he ripped stuff up, he regularly sent e-mails, texts for that matter. is there any evidence, or was there not any evidence, left behind of things he was doing? >> there is some documentation even the ripped material was taped back together and made k challenges for archivists. he did ...

Things so i can have them. that would -- that might hold up. certainly, might hold up in a criminal case. in a civil case, it might not do so well, believe it or not. so, this is gray. we don't really know quite what is happening here with the facts but it -- it -- it is very troublesome. and indeed, the -- the act is a result of nixon threatening to destroy his tapes and papers. >> maggie, do you have any reporting on the why here? why was this stuff all taken? and also, paula's new reporting also on this letter which does indicate in terms of destruction of stuff, the president's propensity ...

So this is gray. we don't really know quite what's happening here with the facts, but it is very troublesome and indeed, the act is a result of nixon threatening to destroy his tapes and papers. >> maggie, do you have any reporting on the why here? why was this stuff all taken? and also, you know, paula's nuanced reporting also on this letter that does indicate in terms of destruction of stuff, the president, former president's propensity to tear stuff up, he had been warned not to. >> right, john, we know the president has been, was more the former president was warned several times by variou...

Basically make sure everything is in tiptop shape, should you need it. but in reality, these kinds of military exercises are meant to be a dramatic show of force, proof to the world that you have the capability to blow stuff up, and that you are not afraid to use it. the thunder nuclear exercises in 2019 were believed to be russia's biggest public test of nuclear might since the cold war. that's why they felt they needed to give it a big scary name, thunder. but russia does this kind of thing every year. like clockwork, every year, every october. russia has these military exercises, where they...