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What we have to do in the future, not the stuff willie mentioned, everybody has to have an income whether you're unwimg or unable to work. that stuff is crazy stuff. the rest, a lot of it is legitimate. >> of course mika, that's the part mike liked about the green new deal, unwilling to work. that's me. >> i'll go to fenway, camp out there. that works for me. listen, all politics will take mistakes by the other side, unforced errors by the other side and exploit it. democrats do it, republicans do it, everybody does it. my suggestion to all democrats is frank bruni's suggestion to all democrat...

Their tax policy blends magical thinking of tax cuts with fill in the blank gaps where difficult and politically perry lus policy choices would be. >> parts of it are fair. willie, there are a lot of conservatives that would be disappointed to know even paul ryan's plan talks about balances the budget, in 2040. >> that's 28 years from now, by my math. and his plan is viewed as the most extreme by anyone in the -- on the left and in the middle. that's as extreme as it gets and only does it in 28 years. michael, i guess the prospect of a realistic and politically palatable as the post puts it pl...

>> welcome to florida, baby. good to be in your backyard. >> good to be here. >> you saw this coming, didn't you? >> yeah. >> michael steele. >> oh, yeah. two years ago. i'm that way, you know. >> you know, it's one of those things that willie and i were talking about earlier we played the odds and the odds were this is a great spot to have a convention, i think the delegates and everyone will have a great time. so you get a little wet. >> look at the hearty souls that are here. >> a bar and three people. thank you. so -- >> and we have a lot of florida people as well. >> it will be fun. liste...

Spending ways, while george bush was president. but barack obama can't go back four years later after running trillion dollar debts and keep pointing the finger at george w. bush. he can. i just don't think they're going to be many independent voters that say okay, you have four years and it's the guy who's been down in the dallas suburbs' fault, four years later. >> you talk to people who do focus groups this cycle and independent voters don't like that. they've moved on from that and their little trick play, the bank shot, to say what mitt romney will do is bring you back to what george bush...

Med is week. he moon bar, >> has a new name. >> this beautiful sunny week, and the sunshine state -- >> don't see any sun. >> the elephant bar. >> across from the tampa bay times forum where the republican national convention is set to convene and suspend all activities until tomorrow because of tropical storm isaac. we're going to get into exactly how the storm is affecting the rnc in just a moment. but first, with us on set, msnbc and "time" magazine senior political analyst mark halperin, he is the king of the human pyramid. >> he is. going to have to show you that. >> the national affairs ...