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Measure -- when looking at these things, conflict of interest, do everyone a serving the national interest, does that conflict? and obviously, yes. even if it happens on a subconscious level that is something we have to worry about. tenant, the industrial and commercial bank of china, largest bank in the world and state-owned enterprise by the that's a problem. because a lot of our foreign policy clashes with china having the state-owned enterprises. even if he is not trying to enrich himself the fact he has one pull which is how his company would profit and another poll serving the public >> ...

Subconscious level, we have to be worried about. the example i used was his tenant, the industrial and commercial bank of china, the largest bank in the world and it's a state-owned enterprise by the communist government of china. that's a problem. because a lot of our foreign policy clashes with china having these state-owned enterprises. even if he's not trying to enrich himself, the fact that he has one pull which is how his company would profit and another pull serving the public interest, that's problematic. >> it seems to me, one of the things about that example which i haven't really th...

In here, and the fact that he's even making these allegations against eli basically have nothing to do with actually the real lawsuit. what it's really all about is the fact that this guy got indicted out of chicago based upon testimony from people from the new york giants organization, ultimately his lawyer showed that some of that testimony may not have been accurate and so the charges were dropped. and i think this guy is just taking a shot right back at them. and for a guy who missed getting indicted and going to jail he's making a lot of noise. >> this is the guy that's actually the plain...

Shelf. >> what are these? >> we have beaver, coyote, raccoon. any feel for you? pick anything up and play with it. we even have minks. the minks are cute because you can make necklaces out of them. and i'll put it right in their hands and say, oh, this, you can touch it. it's okay. hold it. and just stick it right in their hands and say, check it out. it's okay. it's dead. it's not going to hurt you. and what they are picking up on on a subconscious level is they appreciate that. that i'm taking time to speak directly with them. >> finally, seth says, the conclusion comes when the customer's f...

Given to possibly black minority, uninsured, poor people. that plays on their fears that their money is going -- now, it's actually not true because obamacare actually expands care for seniors with prescription drugs and so forth, but it works very well at that subconscious level. >> definitely plays to fear. subconsciously, exactly. hey, joe. >> hi, alex. >> you hear the conversation about well will fair ads, birth certificate jokes. you tell me why jonathan is wrong and romney is not making an updated southern strategy. >> i'll be happy to. jonathan alter is one of the smartest man i know so...