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Marijuana, people doing non-violent drug offenses, and we're spending this kind of money. where are the fiscal conservatives on saying what are we getting for this kind of cost? why are we doing this? >> exactly. and listen, for decades now, we have been locking up non-violent substance abusers not rehabilitating, not getting them treatment. yes, it costs us more to do that than to try to give them substance abuse treatment. listen. $151 million in lawsuits for the nypd over the course of 2012. so no, this is not cost effective. if we really want to talk about addressing crime, we have to talk...

Jesus right now. it's going to be a big book. all the money i get from billo'reilly.com is donated to charity. bill, you seem to be a big fan of using the criminal justice system to control what is a health concern. this thinking has led america to have the world's highest incarceration rate. >> there is no drug problem in singapore. the country of singapore, because of harsh penalties for pushers and mandatory rehab for users. 70% of child abuse and neglect caused by substance abusers. society must protect kids. >> incarceration costs about $40,000 per year per prisoner. wouldn't that money b...

Girl on the street, then the girls wouldn't be out here like this. in this case the guy didn't even have any cash. he offered her crack cocaine. it just lets you know how bad it is out here. you have women out here who are substance abusers, and these johns who are patronizing these women, they know that they have a habit, and they're out here feeding that habit. >> it raises a great deal more concern because their safety is at risk. you know, not just healthwise but physically. you never know what's going to happen. guys are walking up, a lot of guys walked up, wanted me to go with them to an...

Utah state prison is one of the only penal institutions in the country that houses both male and female offenders. usp's 430 women are housed here, at the timpanogos facility. >> they come from every social, economic class that there is. they come in and say, i didn't think that this would ever happen to me. and here i am. >> the timpanogos facility is split into four buildings or stars. lieutenant whitney supervises star-4, a home of the excel program, a therapeutic community for substance abusers. >> i'm in here for zero to five. >> possession with intent to distribute. >> possession of a co...

I feel unworthy. but, you know, i'm working on that right now, you know what i mean? >> how has it made you feel when you see other kids -- your other peers with pictures and they're showing pictures and you're not showing any pictures of your kids? >> it feels -- it's like an emptiness, you know. >> these women are part of walden house, valley state's residential community for substance abusers. "today's topic" is the effect the inmates' addiction has had on their families. >> me and my kids don't have that relationship or that bond that a mother and child are supposed to have. >> so right no...