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But the dni and other agencies will assess whether or not the damage, if, any has been caused by who has been present at mar-a-lago, who had access to the boxes based on the surveillance film that the fbi seized by a search warrant in late june. and a lot of that will be very telling. and we will know as time goes by, either what we actually will never know or, obviously, substantively, what will be revealed publicly. >> we know what we will never know. i like that version of the known unknowns. mark zaid, an attorney specializes in cases involving national security and security clearances. fa...

In mar-a-lago, there is some cross pollination there. >> yes. >> we will see, i'm sure avril avril haines knows exactly what is in there and at some point we will learn maybe more probably at trump's behest. nicholas wu, always good to see you, congressional reporter at politico. thanks for coming on set. now i want to turn to mark zaid, an attorney who is pretty much an expert when it comes to cases involving national security and security clearances. mark, thank you for joining us. my first question is the folders. >> thanks, alex. >> my first question is the folders. and what we should sort...

Now i want to turn to mark zaid, an attorney who is pretty much an expert when it comes to cases involving national security and security clearances. mark, thank you for joining us. my first question is the folders. >> thanks, alex. >> my first question is the folders. and what we should sort of understand or presume about these missing documents or empty folders. perhaps the documents are not missing? when you heard that there were 48 empty folders with classified as of nations, do you assume that the justice department already has those in its possession? what is your thesis on those? >> yea...

And a lot of that will be very telling. and we will know as time goes by, either what we actually will never know or, obviously, substantively, what will be revealed publicly. >> we know what we will never know. i like that version of the known unknowns. mark zaid and, attorney specializes in cases involving national security and security clearances. fascinating conversation mark. thank you for your time. >> thanks, alex. >> a justice department that is usually loathe to share details about its investigations merrick garland's doj has done an about face this week. up next, one of president oba...

Just not that one. and a federal magistrate judge is already said that it's more likely than not that he is criminally violated three of them. so i think that is a real problem just kind of substantively because we don't know everything that was said in realtime. the second problem is, what we do know she said, decided that she had is entertaining a special master, and you said it better than i ever could. if it's where you or me, or any one of these other 300 billion americans, there is no chance in the world that you are gonna get these special master's. and i guess her response is to say, w...