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They start the process at all? the big issue they're having now a lot of senators are saying, we don't want to go into this blind. we want to know end of the day what that substitute amendment, using senate language, we all agree upon is going to be. what's our end game here? do we have everything in place? as we all know quite well, that replace amendment, how they'll move that forward, currently no deal there. no kind of negotiation that has reached a compromise agreement where they would be on that. so long as they are short of that, the reality remains they likely will be short to proceed ...

>> the ideal world would be they would have had an agreed-upon bill, put up as a substitute amendment, and you would go into what is a very long multiple amendment after amendment after amendment process, knowing at the end this was going to be there, that was the ultimate end game and that's what you were going to vote on. that's the part that's -- and they still haven't figured out a way to compromise. if they vote tomorrow, as they are schedule to do do, to move onto the debate. what they will have is a wild west amendment process anybody can put up anything, but there's no end game there. ...

Do i have that right? >> you have that right. no one really knows what mcconnell is going to do. no one knows what's in the tegs of the bill. no one is clear wh his pcess is. what we're hearing the absolute minimum he can do normally is a 20-hour debate. with the special process they can put in a substitute bill say the bill that passed the house leave the democrats to debate that bill an substitute in new senate bill over the very last hour. >> meaning like an hour before? honestly what you're saying the procedure al mechanism might exist to essentially have the senate vote on a bill that's b...

Exist to essentially have the senate vote on a bill that's been public for an hour or two? >> what they would do is make the last amendment the substitute amendment and it would basically say we're going to substitute a new bill in the place of the bill we've been debating and that's the bill that gets voted on. >> this process is unlike anything i've ever seen. >> that's right. >> there is pressure that's being brought to bare. one of the key figures is dean he' heller. i thought something interesting happened. a letter was sent from a number of governors including kasich of ohio sand value o...

This morning democrats remain optimistic. >> i think there is significant momentum. you should have heard our caucus today. it was as moving as any i have been to. we got the votes and certainly we only have the wind at our back. >> the background check compromise fails and it has become the gun related primary. they released an online ad pegged to the vote in attacking the president in new york mayor michael bloomberg. they are expected to unveil a substitute amendment to ban legislation that preserves the second amendment and provides resources for mental health and safety that addresses gun...