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Ukraine would be able to sustain this fight for as long as they have against the russians. so supplying ukraine with those weapons that they need is going to become a challenge moving forward. >> natasha and kaitlan collins, thank you very much. let's continue this conversation with former ambassador to ukraine, william taylor and david rothkoff, a columnist for the daily beast and "usa today" and host of a podcast. thank you for being here. as these meetings continue in brussels, beyond solidarity, beyond these new sanctions against russian government officials and russian defense officials...

Economies, and this has occurred largely because of economic factors but it's accelerated by ukraine. and that real lil affects china hard. lee in the first summit today talked about deintegration and about the need for more integration. >> so if the west wants, if the west needs to keep china in check, what do you see as the next move, gordon? >> i think that there is going to be much more pressure on china. china is going to be resistant because xi jinping and vladimir putin are very, very close and they view the world in the same terms, they're trying to do the same things, so we'll see con...

That's part of the initiatives that i think the president's attempting to do in these various engagements with, well, with nato, with the g20, with the g7, and all the others. nato is now united in action. it's maybe not doing all the things that president zelenskyy wants them to do, but it's certainly doing more than they were doing six months ago and is -- as phil mattingly said, they are contributing an awful lot to this fight. >> yeah. and if putin thought he could divide nato by this invasion of ukraine, he failed his miserabl because the nato alliance is very, very united right now. that...

Putin could understand that there are red lines, bridges to cross from which you cannot come back from. um, he does hope that putin doesn't cross those. um, he is concerned about it but i think it -- it paints that picture that there is still the potential there for president putin to back off, and not be entirely alienated and made a pariah from the international community, although many nations around the table, at nato, at the g7, at the -- at the european -- at the european council leaders' summit today, many nations may feel that. but that is not potentially a united position, yet. there ...

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ experience the power of sanctuary at the lincoln wish list event. a tit-for-tat with global implications. russia and china holding a virtual summit today, just after