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You don't really know the integrity of that casing throughout the 13,000 feet depth of the well. there could be damage anywhere along the 13,000 feet, and once you stop blocking the oil, you start clamping down on the flow at what might be 30,000 pounds per square inch of pressure, you don't know where that might blow, and i think you'd better be in position to have those relief wells ready to go or actually up and operating before you try to control the flow from the start. i think that's the debate that has to take place. >> right. do you have a sense that the united states government under ...

Now? >> well, if it -- if you were at 200 feet or 400 feet it's one thing. you're at 5,000 feet. you don't really know the integrity of that casing throughout the 13,000 feet depth of the well. there could be damage anywhere along the 13,000 feet, and once you stop blocking the oil, you start clamping down on the flow at what might be 30,000 pounds per square inch of pressure, you don't know where that might blow, and i think you'd better be in position to have those relief wells ready to go or actually up and operating before you try to control the flow from the start. i think that's the deba...