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Deployed that kind of warhead. we have warheads, you can use any to do an attack, we could, we could. we've got cyberoffensive capabilities. physical sabotage capabilities. mark: do we prepare for these things the way our enemies do? >> i wish we did. mark: in terms of offensive capabilities? . >> i wish we did. i don't know whether we do or not. i suspect we don't. the reason i suspect we don't is because we haven't even protected ourselves from the enemies offensive capabilities. and if we understood and put it together and ourselves had mastered this new way of warfare and we're prepared to...

Novelty. today, this simple switch, the biode is the modern civilization. all of our computers, control systems, cell phones operate on the switch and millions of more times vulnerable to the emp than the crude piece of instrumentation. and that would put our civilization at risk if we had a natural emp from the sun like the solar superstorm. if a nuclear emp attack put all of north america under the one attack. mark: i want to get to the nuclear scenarios. you can describe what the electrical grid looks like in this country, and who runs the electrical grid? >> we have 300 utilities which is ...

Seriously? >> some members of congress do. actually the congress as a whole does. the emp commission was reestablished, done so unanimously. senator ron johnson, the chairman of the senate homeland security committee passed a really important bill in 2016 called the critical infrastructure protection act which directed the department of homeland security to start planning and preparing to protect our country from natural and nuclear emp. so congress takes it seriously. i wish they would take it more seriously. you know, one of the things that was done in the not serious category is congress de...

Seriously? >> some members of congress do. i should say the congress as a whole does. the emp commission was established. senator ron johnson, the chairman of the senate homeland security committee passed a really important bill in 2016 called the critical infrastructure protection act which directed the department of homeland security to start planning and preparing to protect our country from natural and nuclear emp. so congress takes it seriously, i wish they would take it more seriously. one of the things that was done in the not so serious category is congress decided to close down the em...

Seriously? >> some members of congress do. i should say the congress as a whole does. the emp commission was established. senator ron johnson, the chairman of the senate homeland security committee passed a really important bill in 2016 called the critical infrastructure protection act which directed the department of homeland security to start planning and preparing to protect our country from natural and nuclear emp. so congress takes it seriously, i wish they would take it more seriously. one of the things that was done in the not so serious category is congress decided to close down the em...