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It's a crash out, forget it, there will be friction-full trade. queue, lines. ports, you know, we don't know aircraft, will your passport work. you know, for many businesses, they may collapse. >> so people in the uk who support brexit, not necessarily people who are angry about trade agreements, but they sort of think that in the end, the uk will do better off without europe and the european experiment hasn't worked all that well. so the stuff you describe seems to make life easier, frictionless trade, goods coming in tariff free, the movement of people. why do so many people think it's not w...

Want? she'll go to europe and said, can you give us any compromises. it is a complete mess. it almost makes what's happening in washington look pleasant. >> it is a complete mess. one of the problems is bill speaks of two tribes. it's not even quite that simple. there are members of labor who support brexit, conservatives who support brexit. the cross currents are pretty difficult to pin down, aren't they? >> absolutely right. this is the problem. there are splipts across shot through politics and families and the labor party and conservative party have been split for years. it has been split ...

Provide that sense of awareness to the american people? >> i think the -- in retrospect and it is always easier to say this in retrospect, the obama administration should have done more to alert people, but, you know, it was kind of unimaginable in the beginning, that the russians, even though they had done this in the ukraine, which i visit frequently, and in germany, and even though they might have been involved in the effort in england to get the british people to support brexit, that is getting out of the eu, it was somehow unimaginable that they would try this in the united states. >> yea...