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Didn't want to get on the record, like senator kirk did, do support it and recognize, you know, a true conservative position is support equality. >> it's passed the house, but not the senate. >> and the governor said -- i keep getting these things confused. the governor said he'll sign it. illinois, we could be adding to that list of states. >> and it's on the speaker's desk. we hope we have the votes. >> but the question i have about, as this question sort of goes nationally, you know, a lot of states that aren't pure blue states, where if it's going to become a law, it has to have republican...

It. they're worried about all these -- >> we're talking about the majority of the country though. if the majority is with the president, is he too liberal? that's what i'm asking. can you call the guy too left when he's right where the middle is? how can you keep saying that? it's the only question i want to put to you. if more than 50% support equality of marriage, more than 50% support a woman's right to choose, if more than 50% are with him on guns and foreign policy, how can you call that the far left? >> let me put it this way, the fact of the matter is this is going to be politically ver...

It. they're worried about all these -- >> we're talking about the majority of the country though. if the majority is with the president, is he too liberal? that's what i'm asking. can you call the guy too left when he's right where the middle is? how can you keep saying that? it's the only question i want to put to you. if more than 50% support equality of marriage, more than 50% support a woman's right to choose, if more than 50% are with him on guns and foreign policy, how can you call that the far left? >> let me put it this way, the fact of the matter is this is going to be politically ver...

Put to you. if more than 50% support equality of marriage, more than 50% support a woman's right to choose, if more than 50% awith him on guns a s ans and foreign how can you call that the far left? >> let me put it this way, the fact of the matter is this is going to be politically very problematic for harry r50ed because for the constituency he represents in the senate, they're not going to be able to get a lot of things that the president wants done because it's too far to the left of him. for example, on gun control, that's going to be very problematic for -- >> can i get back to shrummy? ...

Will stand against each and every time just like we stood up to help defeat the referendum in mississippi. the whole purpose of a constitution in this country, it expands rights, not restrict them. >> ben jealous, the president and ceo of the naacp that has made this momentous that they, as a national organization, support equality in marriage rights for same-sex couples. ben, congratulations on this, i know it was a big deal for you to be able to announce this. it's been a big goal for your organization. thanks, ben. thanks for being here tonight. >> thank you, rachel. >> we'll be right back....