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We always talk about the dial moving a little on his support level. the best bet now, it won't move an inch against him, don't you think? his people don't seem to be offended by the reality that's biting here. >> right, there is a sense that some of this is -- and to be clear, this doesn't minimize any of the allegations or accusations against him, but there is a sense, especially from his team and supporters, that this was baked in the cake, right? there is nothing that is coming out against the president now that his supporters and his voters don't -- >> he's a rapist, live with it. it's hor...

I'm sure that that on an actual level is not true. but on a support level, on a friendship level, on a would mbs have murdered khashoggi if he didn't know that he had the absolute support of jared kushner and this white house, i don't know. but he certainly did have the absolute support. in fact, one -- there's a point in the book where africa show gi is murdered and the white house doesn't know how to respond and jared calls up mbs and says, i think you'd better execute all those guys very quickly. the guys who actually were the executioners of khashoggi. >> what's the sourcing on that? i mea...

Locations. when something looks suspicious, they give it more scrutiny. in this case, it turned out these packages were in fact some time of explosive device with some of them had some powdery substance in them. so we have a duel threat there. so now that we know it's a broader investigation, it's not just secret service protectees and more people targeted, this case will be eventually transferred over to the fbi and the atf. they will take the lead investigative role in this. the secret staffers will remain on board, but more on a support level for them. we'll continue with the threats agains...

And so clearly -- and we had the report last week of donald trump making fun of jeff sessions and his accent, and his southern accent. and so clearly if trump supporters in alabama understood donald trump's real attitude toward them, there might abe different support level down there. >> i think that's the wild card about the wood ward baward book real world impact is it going to have. you saw in the kavanaugh hearings that the gop is not going to let go of donald trump until they have some goods in the bag. >> tim o'brieen and john heilemann, thank you for joining us tonight. when we come bac...

Seem to realize what donald trump thinks of them. the woodward back has donald trump referring to jeff sessions this way. "this guy is mentally retarded. he's this dumb southerner. he couldn't even be a one-person country lawyer down in alabama." and so clearly -- and we had the report last week of donald trump making fun of jeff sessions and his accent, and his southern accent. and so clearly if trump supporters in alabama understood donald trump's real attitude toward them, there might abe different support level down there. >> i think that's the wild card about the woodward book is what rea...