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>> paul: okay. the other thing striking to me about the deficit commission draft the new chairman put out and something i'm critical of, they do almost nothing on medicaid and medicare. >> no, didn't touch it. >> paul: who are the big cost drivers in the budget. why aren't they touching those two programs? >> i don't think they touch it because the administration didn't want them to touch it. i don't think the president's commissioners were going to go after his health care law. elliss and i are offering a premium support plan and medicaid. we think one of the glaring problems in this plan, it...

Administration came to congress and said, one out of six hospitals and nursing homes are going to go out of business as a result of this -- >> that's not what they said. >> 7.4 million seniors are projected to lose the coverage they have, that's a $3200 benefit cut -- >> poor people -- more people signed up for medicare advantage after the change. >> what they are saying -- >> nobody is -- >> mr. vice-president, i know -- [overlapping dialogue] >> i know you are under a lot of duress to make up for lost ground, but i think people would be better served if we don't keep interrupting each other....

>> paul: the other thing that is striking about the deficit commission's draft this is something i'm critical of, they do almost nothing on medicaid and medicare. which you know are the big cost drivers in the budget. why aren't they touching those two programs? >> because the administration didn't want them to touch it. i don't think the president's commissioners were gonna go after his health care law. alice rivlin and you are offering a premium support plan. we think one of the problems in this plan it doesn't touch health care that's why alice a democrat, former clinton omb director she an...