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Now. >> let's say china does decide to back russia militarily, how much stronger with that meat putin's hand? >> you know, honestly, i really don't think he's going to dive into a military project to support putin's adventure in ukraine. it just does not make sense for china. where they put their emphasis is on taiwan. if anything now, the strong western sanctions action against putin and against russia for this invasion of ukraine, was probably giving the chinese as xi himself, some second thoughts of the early invasion of taiwan. i just don't see a big tie in military relationship between ch...

Also influences the situation. now he lost even support from the army, from soldiers, because belarusian people, belarusian soldiers, don't want to fight against ukraine. and it's the reason why our troops hadn't still crossed the border into ukraine. exactly, i was going to raise that very point. i mean, you say lukashenko is paying his price to putin for the support putin gives him, but lukashenko has not, as far as we understand it and despite some claims from ukraine, he has not actually sent belarusian troops across the border to fight inside ukraine. i wonder why you think he has not don...

Aggression. that true russians support peace, and true russians support sovereignty of ukraine and our goal is to collect the fund to help ukrainian refugees that putin's aggression, that not all russians support putin's aggression. >> i'm wondering, so this effort is mostly taking place outside of russia, obviously. but i'm wondering how hard it is to reach russians in russia. to change minds there. you know, i've been struck by reports from ukrainians who have family in russia, for instance, who are telling them, listen, we're sheltering in bomb shelters, we're seeing attacks on our city. an...

Legitimacy, he lost respect of belarusian people, and it also influences the situation. now he lost even support from the army, from soldiers, because belarusian people, belarusian soldiers, don't want to fight against ukraine. and it's the reason why our troops hadn't still crossed the border into ukraine. exactly, i was going to raise that very point. i mean, you say lukashenko is paying his price to putin for the support putin gives him, but lukashenko has not, as far as we understand it and despite some claims from ukraine, he has not actually sent belarusian troops across the border to fi...

Putin's hand? >> you know, honestly, i really don't think he's going to dive into a military project to support putin's adventure in ukraine. it just does not make sense for china. where they put their emphasis is on taiwan. if anything now, the strong western sanctions action against putin and against russia for this invasion of ukraine, was probably giving the chinese as xi himself, some second thoughts of the early invasion of taiwan. i just don't see a big tie in military relationship between china and russia. >> why is that? because xi sees what we've done to russia and realizes if xi mak...