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This to happen with the egyptian pride and the egyptian passion that we're watching. >> absolutely. but what they do need, tamron, they need our support, whether it's moral or financial support. >> but there's not a question of that, has there? >> in some places, there have been. if you talk to some people, ron allen from your crew in tahrir square, there was a question, where was the united states, were you with us, were you with mubarak? i think the president should leave no doubt about it, the people of united states, the beacon of hope and freedom in country, will be with those people. i'm...

>> certainly not her opponent. >> it is very interesting. i've been telling my campaigns out there, this is the year to connect, not to convince. i don't know that this quite is the connection that you're looking for in a broader sense. >> i can't decide what's more disconcerting, is just the sound of the gun or the sound of the voiceover on that ad. because the voiceover sounds a little "saturday night live"-ish. >> guns have always been a tough issue for the democrats. >> sure have. famous hunting pictures. >> particularly tough for -- given the fact obama's president and the nra doesn't lik...

Movements made them into political acts. we spent a lot of time talking about steve jobs and we will talk about him later in the show. jobs had this amazing show. he said, it is not the customer's job to know what he wants. the idea being that it was jobs' job and apple's job to come up with something new, something people didn't realize they wanted until it appeared. that's a lesson, i think, from occupy wall street. we didn't know what we were missing until it was there. joining us now to talk more about "occupy wall street" naomi klein and van jones. great to have you both here. >> good mor...