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Direct conflict with the united states. he can survive with al qaeda and isis. what he cannot do is cross a redline that has been firmly established and a penalty is being affixed to that. second of that, bashar al-assad's military is on the narrow margins of survivability. the air force and all practical purposes barely exist anymore. the syrian air army no longer desists. that is why they need conscripts and mercenaries from afghanistan, he -- the syrian people will not fight on the behalf of bashar al-assad. he does not have the bandwidth to risk conflict. >> bill: doesn't he have the irani...

I think it has been less solid with our allies in asia and you're. the president has tended to downplay our lingss. tole, that's the source of american strength in the world. our alliances. so i think the trump administration needs the reassure the allies, and not just keep focusing on the terrorism issue. for instance, the survivability of the you're penal unieuropean. >> how does donald trump navigate it? it is one of the biggest existential threats u.s. faces. >> no question. one of the most difficult problems he faces, the meeting with xi jinping will be critical. president trump has tweet...

Strategy, what determines success here? are there sit potentially grave, unintended consequences? >> what you want to do something like this is you want to get them out of their ability to plan and prepare and conduct operations. any kind of disruption will do that. if you put them on. if you put them on the defensive when they're fighting for their survivability and their going from one hiding place to another because of the outreach of u.s. strike aircraft, that is mission accomplished. that means they are so disrupted that they are not able to plan future operations. that's what this is abo...

President that is trying to do a lot of things saying one thing that he is going to be cooperative in the transition but not the other, then i think it was appropriate for him to speak out. especially on a subject like nuclear weapons where we as the united states are falling behind when it comes to the capability, flexibility and survivability of our weapons while a modernization program is in the works, donald trump needs to make it clear we're going to follow through and make that happen for our nation's security. >> david, from what i understand, a modernization program is in the works and...

Race. both are saying that we need to expand. putin is saying that. donald trump is initially saying that. is this -- >> well, race suggests that it's just compare and similar institutions and similar modernization steps. i don't look at it that way. i do think it ought to be something where we're moving quickly and decisively in order to improper survivability and we have to deter the russians from using the mainline force and certainly nuclear force. >> bob, if you have a quick answer to that question about the arms race because i want to ask you something else. do you see it as such? >> it'...