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Corridors and the principles and the players, how different do you think he's going to make the institution when he's running it? >> there is to sort of swamp creatures at this point of the trump administration and clearly pruitt was able to align himself with trump not only because he was able to effectively implement trump's agenda but he can deflect on some of the scandal and corruptions that squares on trump himself. i think you know ken makes a good point that wheeler is much more low-key, he's subtle and quieter and going to stay out of the limelight. trump is going to appoint an epa adm...

Scandals? david chalian, surely there is someone else qualified to dismantle the environmental regulations that president trump could pick the lead the epa how is scott pruitt surviving? the reason he's been able to survive is he is implementing and executing on a policy prescription that very much matches donald trump and a lot of his supporters' agenda. so he's following through day to day with accomplishing the roleback of regulations as you say. what it does, though, of course, is it pits it against this pledge to drain the swamp so you have the swampiest of swamp creatures apparently we'r...

Building on the republican side because pruitt, who may have been seen an asset because of his policy views, now clearly is going to be an albatross going into the midterm elections for republicans all across the counnd it doesn't help president trump -- >> but do you think -- you think pruitt is going to hurt republicans running in the midterms >> i he becomes the image of the swamp creature. it's exactly the opposite of what trump promised in the campaign. this guy's an original. he puts to shame many of the swamp creatures that were here when trump was elected. >> you know that there have b...

Planned tell -- i mean has he been dishonest? is there a reason why he would be seeking it? >> andrew mccabe is a proud guy. that doesn't make him an honest guy. i was in the room when he gave testimony behind closed doors to the house judiciary committee. i can tell you my reaction to that. this is someone who wasn't purely engaged in the investigative work of the f.b.i. he was trying to shape public opinion. remember what the substance of the lies were about. he was leaking to the "wall street journal" about the nature of the hillary clinton investigation wanting to shape public opinion. and...

Plus conservative comments with george f. will says that donald trump isn't the worst person in the trump administration. his vice president is. coming up, george will makes his case right here on "hardball." and trump might talk about draining the swamp, but his words don't mean much when you look at the actions of those closest to him. michael cohen, scott pruitt are two of the biggest swamp creatures in trump's orbit, and that's saying a lot. finally let me finish tonight with a preview of coming events. this is "hardball," where the action is. mom? dad? hi! i had a very minor fender bender...