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Four-star general michael hayden. he served as a director of both the cia and the nsa. general hayden, thanks so much for being here. >> thanks, jake. >> really appreciate it. you've served both democratic and republican presidents. what do you make of the president's claims that this is all a hoax and this is all just created by democrats? >> it's not a hoax. it's not all created by democrats. there is now historical record on which we can all agree on which there were contacts between the campaign and agents of the russian federation, there was some cooperation, synchronization of active bet...

Does this just today from michael hayden, who's worked for democratic and republican presidents. >> it's not a hoax, there's now historical record, which we can all agree there were contacts between the campaign and agents of the russian federation, that there was some cooperation, some synchronization of activity between the campaign, the russians and wikileaks. whether it's collusion or criminal, that's a completely different matter, but there is some there there, which struck me about the president's comments. he needs, he wants, he should be pursuing closure, and he doesn't get closure unt...