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$12 trillion. >> everybody's taxes are going down and some people won't pay tax and the reason they won't pay -- and i love the idea of having a little sort of fat in the game, if we can, but the fact is these are people that are doing very poorly. i mean, they're making not a lot of money and we're saving a tremendous amount of administrative costs and other things by not making them pay. under my plan, i think it's a very dynamic plan, we're going to grow the economy. hey, if china does it 7% having a terrible year, we're saying we can't do it 3% and 4%. >> we just had 4% last quarter. >> we...

The minds of these candidates. >> a lot of people mind sight is what it is, but tim pawlenty should have stayed in and had his moment in the sun but a lot of campaigns can't pay. >> if you have a poor debate performance and perceived not to be relevant to the conversation, if you are a donor or supporter, you are starting to look elsewhere. that's just tragic for some of these guys. they are looking to post a number, a fund-raising number in a couple of weeks' time that says i'm a relevant factor here. >> three days away. we will be here the entire time. poppy, i know you can feel the exciteme...

A lot of this copying influenced by -- a lot of this seems to be settled out of court, sam smith/tom petty -- >> vanilla ice. >> vanilla ice as well. why did this one go so far? >> because they wouldn't pay. >> they fought it? >> robin thicke and pharrell's people thought it was ridiculous, that they hadn't copied anything. they were simply using a style similar to marvin gaye. but thicke was making explicit statements when he was drunk saying, yeah, they created this from marvin gaye. >> how close does it have to be to be an illegal copy and when it can be legally derivative? >> it has to be ...

>> we just hit an awful milestone. nations combine student loan debt has now hit $1 trillion. it's now larger than credit card debt in this country. >> the average american student now graduates more than $25,000 in debt. >> i grew up in a low-income household. i was always told to work hard and follow your dreams and it will pay off if you need to go into educational debt to achieve those dream, so be it. a couple of months after i graduated i got calls from collectors and i told them i couldn't pay. i was on food stamp, living off mostly beans and rice.

Facts. based on the facts themselves. >> here's what really got me. he keeps talking. these folks are living under subsidy. that's the word he used. these folks are living under subsidy. okay. this is per unit, per cow calf combination, per month cost of grazing fees on federal land. the amount that he won't pay. $1.35. the market price in the western united states per cow calf per month is $16.80. the federal government so subsidizes federal grazing fees to the tune of 15-plus bucks per cow/calf a month, and even that welfare is not good enough for him to take. >> that's right. because he's s...