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Running for president. and i think if he was attempting to do anything yesterday with the dnc, it wasn't throwing cold water, but it was sort of sending a message of everybody naedz to calm down. this is not -- he's not building an infrastructure of a campaign right now. this is a personal decision. from what i have been told, people close to him, that essentially the reason, the metrics tell him he can't win. it's going to be very hard for him to win. that nomination. but him closing the door to this is more than just closing the door to running for president in 2016. it's him closing the doo...

Extraordinary large number of people in the republican party who say they will never vote for him under any circumstance. he's got a very high never, never. >> he also could not win. >> mika, i'm not saying he won't win. i'm saying as a candidate who has to face a challenge of how do you get to 50, once the field is down to not 16 people but down to two. if you have over 50% of the party saying they would never vote for you, that is a challenge he will have to overcome. >> there are a couple of things we don't know. first of all, he's moved, obviously. in the general election he was losing by ...

Win? what do they say? >> mika, 60-40 they say he can't win. what they're saying is that a lot of what we're seeing in polls now is what they call whisky courage. it's easy to say you're for donald trump at the moment. these are people that bob costa was talking about. we're also seeing that number is 40% of insiders and these are the party officials, elected officials, in both iowa and new hampshire say it's possible. it's being taken much more seriously. >> who do they think is going to win, mike? >> in iowa people are still thinking that scott walker is going to come back. you talked about ...

Don't care if he's on the big stage or the small stage. he's had as much influence over the party right now in terms of national security giving the iran deal and other national security issues with isis. on the one hand, he won't win. on the other hand, what he says tends to trickle up to the top candidates. he was one of the first candidates to come out and say this iran deal should be junked on day one. everybody else followed suit. >> another guy here in the undercard is rick santorum. nobody gave him a shot back in 2012. he pulled off an incredible upset in the iowa caucuses. stayed aroun...

Congealed over the race. it's something we have been talking about for a while. everyone is saying everyone is desperately trying to get attention to get on the debate stage, do crazy things in late july. do you think it stands? >> it's over stated a little bit. people have been talking like if you're not on stage for this debate you have no chance going forward. there are two problems. most of the people have no chance going forward already. rick perry won't be the nominee whether or not he's on stage for the te bait. most people aren't going to watch this debate. there will be a lot of debat...