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Going to have a substantiative, large impact on the course of the republican presidential primary process. but to be clear, cnn did not fix the problem in that process tonight. they just broke their own rules to alleviate some of the pressure that they were feeling about this problem that they did not create, but that they are perpetuating for no good reason, and they're still perpetuating by doing a kids' table debate. it will be interesting to see if any of the other candidates follow ben carson's lead on this. but regardless, i mean, cnn, in the end, you've only got your reputation, right? ...

I would add that i advise cnn to change their debate to allow all the candidates in. the american people are best served with an open and active and transparent project and all debate format meets that about oive. cnn announcing this sudden, last-minute change tonight is going to have a substantiative, large impact on the course of the republican presidential primary process. but to be clear, cnn did not fix the problem in that process tonight. they just broke their own rules to alleviate some of the pressure that they were feeling about this problem that they did not create, but that they are...

Prove himself. i think if he doesn't that will start to a little bit of a tumble for him. and maybe fiorina takes that space. >> yes or no answers because we have to go. does fiorina being in the big table debate on the 16th, does that help or hurt carson? >> neutral. >> i think -- neutral. >> neutral? rick? >> snneutral. she should be there. >> joy reid is going to stay with us. ahead this hour hillary clinton loses steam in iowa as bernie sanders' momentum builds. what is behind the shift in the hawk eye state, next. and scott walker wants to secure our northern border. we'll look at walker'...

That the rnc wouldn't do more to help her out. >> cnn says they're putting together a compilation of earlier polls, put it all together and computed it for that. she certainly has the momentum. curtis, fiorina was declared the winner by many of the debate earlier this month. could it be better to be the winner of the smaller debate than getting lost in the larger field? >> you know, i think she certainly would like to be on stage out here on september 16th at the reagan presidential library. i don't think anyone wants to win the kids' table debate, they want to sit at the main table with the a...

Table debate instead of the real debate. and then to adjure to that insult rick perry did a bad job at the kids' table debate. since then governor perry has sunk lower in the polls than he was before. he's approaching scratch territory in some polls. his fund-raising is also dried up to the extend that he has had to stop paying all of his campaign staff. well, last night we reported late-breaking news that the chairman of rick perry's presidential campaign in iowa had just quit. he's a man named sam clovis, not a national figure but sam clovis is recognizable in iowa republican and conservativ...