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>> it will be interesting. >> oh, okay. i don't know how do we tell the difference eugene? should they have smaller podiums for the kids' table group or -- there should be some visual communication there that these are the ones at the bottom of the polls. >> yeah. i think we can do it with the miracle of digital effects. we can do something to indicate that it's the kids' table. i wonder if you do poorly then at the grownup's table, do you, in the next debate, get relegated to the kids table and if you do well at the kids' cable, do you get promoted to the grown-up table? but it looks to me li...

Are a lot of them and a lot of them potentially cut from our debates -- to provide room for. and if you're running in the lower tier, you really need these kinds of debates to gain momentum, oxygen, as much face time with the public as you can. so that's kind of the irony of the cutoff here. >> so let me just go back to the kids' table thing here. so is it all going to be on the same night? is cnn going to do an hour, an hour and a half with the top ten and less time with he kids' table? >> right. that's the understanding. and it's my understanding that the kids' table actually goes first and ...