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Pretty judicial? >> yes, it is more fair to appear in a suit than an orange jumpsuit. there is no reason to humiliate him in that way. there is enough happening in the courtroom as it is. i want to comment on tad devine quickly. i think it was very smart. part of telling the jury the story is to tell it in a compelling way, and to tell it in a way that you put your witnesses in an order so you can protect your witness who is going to have the most problems. and that's gates. so here they start with tad devine. he is a very elegant, soft-spoken, nice person who said nice things about mr. manafo...

Coming in in a prison jump suit would be instantly visually pretty judicial? >> yes, it is. it is more fair for him to appear in a suit than an orange jumpsuit. there is no reason to humiliate him in that way. there is enough happening in the courtroom as it is. i want to comment on tad devine starting really quickly. i think it was very smart. part of telling the jury the story is to tell it in a compelling way, and to tell it in a way that you put your witnesses in an order so you can protect your witness who is going to have the most problems. and that's gates. so here they start with tad d...

He is waiting for potentially a pardon down the road. >> and josh, we've already had the first strange bedfellow in the first witness. tad devine, he of the liberal left, he of the kerry campaign, the bernie sanders campaign, what was he doing testifying in this trial today? >> well, he was brought in because he actually worked alongside manafort. you know, it's fairly typical in these overseas political consulting efforts when americans go in. it's pretty normal for a republican like manafort to team up with somebody of a democratic large d u.s. democratic background to go in and advise a her...

During opening statements the prosecution painted paul manafort as a shrewd liar who fell he was above the law as he hid money to evade taxes while living a lavish lifestyle. man for the denies any counts, including bank fraud, meanwhile the defense in its opening statement zeroed in on his former deputy in the trump campaign, rick gates, he was manafort's co-defendant until he decided to slip. the defense is pinning it all on gates claiming manafort is on trial because of one man, rick gates. democrat tad devine who worked for pro russian politics in ukraine. devine testified how manafort ran...

Trial unfolding? >> yeah, look. manafort is innocent until proven guilty, but as i heard joey jackson say in your last hour, federal prosecutors don't get to this stage without thinking they have a pretty good case, and at a minimum perception wise, it looks very bad for the predto have had someone as his campaign chairman, even if it was, as he says, for a short time, be this swampy, forget the criminal aspect for a second. someone who made his name, manafort, whipping votes at the democratic convention for gerald ford winds up being a guy whose primary deal is working for yanukovych, a pro-r...