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Area, there's no question about it. what happens, we'll have to see. perhaps you do the tax savings, perhaps you do tremendous incentives to businesses going into detroit and you instead of paying a big tax, which of course we're one of the most heavily taxed countries in the world, you don't pay tax. you pay very small taxes. you do something to get detroit and other cities like it. detroit is emblematic. you have many, many cities. i could name them but i don't want to embarrass people. you have many cities in the same situation as detroit. >> since i asked you the republican question. let m...

It unless the programs run out or unless the programs gradually are reduced to give them an incentive to go out and try and work instead of taking welfare. >> do you think this administration has helped the very poor? are they better off when they were seven years ago or are they worse off? >> i think the poor are worse off under this administration based upon just one statistic. the number of people that are now on food stamps and the number of people that are gone on food stamps in the last four years is twice the number of new jobs that are being created. when you make it easier for people ...

It unless the programs run out or unless the programs gradually are reduced to give them an incentive to go out and try and work instead of taking welfare. >> do you think this administration has helped the very poor? are they better off when they were seven years ago or are they worse off? >> i think the poor are worse off under this administration based upon just one statistic. the number of people that are now on food stamps and the number of people that are gone on food stamps in the last four years is twice the number of new jobs that are being created. when you make it easier for people ...

Does it pay to work or does welfare pay more? now, according to a new report, the u.s. welfare system pays more than minimum wage jobs in 35 states. how can someone afford to work when he can make more money by not working? fox news contributor herman cain joins us. >> thank you very much, greta. happy to be with you. >> tell me, sir, why would anyone work if you make more money getting benefits or welfare or public assistance than if you work a minimum wage job? >> only reason that someone would work when they can get that much off of welfare and public assistance is that their self-respect e...

And the reason, greta, is quite frankly -- >> the problem, though, sir, is that some people can't afford to have that so-called self-respect you have because they're sort of down and out. i mean, yes in the grand scheme, it's much better to have some of the self-respect about having a product. but you've got four little kids at home or something. you're going to have yourself respect and work at a job or make more money -- do benefits and do more for them? >> well, in that particular case that you described, you're absolutely right. that may be extenuating circumstances that they feel trapped ...