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When general scott berati who is cool hand luke, he is very methodical how he thinks and speaks, when he says he sees the russians working on the taliban side, they, very disturbing. that is why this nato ministerial coming up with the foreign ministers is so important to have high-level u.s. representations there, because i think afghanistan is going to be very high on that agenda. it should be. things are not going well there. >> admiral james stavridis, good to have you at the table and good to see you. we should mention he is out with a new book "the leaders bookshelf "check it out now. at...

Looking at this from the perspective of maybe, because of the people that were selected for the exchange on the taliban side, maybe we are looking at the first hint of reconciliation, the first hint of being able to work with people in afghanistan who are going to be there long after we leave and who are going to be necessary to some sort of stability, some sort of successful future for afghanistan. i was growing really dismal about that prospect. >> well, mr. wilkerson, you know, john mccain, who's been around this business a long, long time, claims that this is going to put american lives at...