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And room to not -- not leverage, but room to say you can't talk about x, you can't talk about y, you can't talk about z, but you're free to talk about anything else. yasmin vossoughian is there in front of the d.a.'s office in lower manhattan. when donald trump does get there, and, again, it is expected to be a 2:15 arraignment, what will happen before that? >> a couple of things i want to talk through and tell you as i'm talking i'm keeping my eye on the monitor below my camera to make sure we don't miss a moment he walks out of the building as well as what is happening behind me and in front...

Have never experienced this to appreciate the kind of pressure and the kind of emotional pain this can bring on people. i think we have a glimpse of it. as for the consequences, you can't defy a grand jury subpoena. can you be held in context -- context of court and obstruction of justice. as soon as he gets new legal counsel, he will be counseled, you can't do this. if they want you they can get you. you can try to get a judge to quash a subpoena on legal grounds but that is the system. and you could assert the fifth amendment and say i won't talk about x, y or z to acrim nate me and no one a...