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After he became president. there's still an obstruction of justice case. the pattern of behavior after he became president that robert mueller has dug into. >> is there any explanation for why manafort would lie except for the fact he believes he'll get pardoned? >> we have seen manafort as behavior he's above the law. that he violated his bond requires. lucky enough to be out of jail and under house arrest. he has flaunted at the law from the very beginning. i think it's interesting this is the person trump has associated with for a decade. i think manafort does believe he's going to get a pa...

Ken dilanian covered intelligence for nbc. tom winter, investigative reporter. danny goldman, southern district of new york, and my friend midwin charles, attorney and contributor to essence magazine. the government says manafort committed federal crimes, they say he lied on a whole bunch of subjectings. is he simply banking that president trump will pardon him or does putin and his team know so much? that could be a bigger risk for manafort. >> i think the pardon is the only one that makes sense from a rational perspective. the idea that somehow a message was communicated perhaps through his ...

Pardon. we're talking about what a blow this is to manafort. isn't it a huge blow to mueller? he has spent all this time with manafort. now basically sfrl everything he said tainted? >> it is a blow to him. unusable in a court of law. >> a blow to him being manafort or mueller? >> it's a blow to manafort unless there's a pardon down the road. from the prosecutor's perspective, he feels like, all right, we had this guy who was at the top of the campaign, had high level interactions, was in the 2016 trump tower meeting and is the only cooperating witness from that meeting. he can give us everyth...

Ruining lives for them refusing to lie. mueller gone rogue. president trump's words. speaking of mueller, in one sense, it appears he has lost one of his best witnesses. a key part is whether there are signs of collaboration. out of these four people who pleaded guilty, manafort who led the campaign for almost five months in 2016 would seem to be the best one in position to provide answers. according to "the new york times," mueller's team integrated manafort at least a dozen different times. this could also be interpreted as an indication of just how much mueller already knows. unless mueller...

In. >> they better? and breaking news this morning. the war in afghanistan claims more victims as three u.s. service members and three more wounded by a roadside bomb in kabul. we begin with this new news on manafort now accused of lying to the special counsel potentially wasting his only shot at ever getting out of jail. does that mean a big fat presidential pardon? could this rip the heart out of bob mueller's entire investigation? i want to explain where we stand. for months, mueller has been talking to mon that for the as part of his investigation into russian ties. now mueller says mana...