South bronx, look at him. and he took that and he ran with it for his entire life. and when he was talking to bob, he wasn't sad. he was like, don't feel bad for me, right? i've done this and i have had a great life. >> i know your family and general powell's family have a history together. you guys were very close. >> that's right. i knew him professionally, but also personally and socially. my father and he were good friends through howard university. he served on the board with vernon jordan. they were a little bit of a posse, if you will. black professionals in washington, d.c. it's a smal...