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While there. that's something positive we can derive. we await for darker days to come. >> sean: congressman, donald trump gave the ukrainians the javelin anti-tank missiles even whether we thought corruption was rampant in the ukraine. finally germany, 1,000 anti-tank weapons. we are providing stinger missiles and fighter jet and they are providing anti--tank weapons. the u.k., poland, the check republic. greece, estonia, and that will give them some ability to fight back. will that be enough?

And their at least mental capacity, their determination, seems to be strong. how does that fit into the overall picture, jeff? >> well, determination and patriotism is hard to be. except that the entire ukrainian army is only as big as the invasion force from russia. and we try to equip them. they're well equipped. but they're not nearly as well equipped as the russians are. mueller told coattails at the end of the day are not going to be able to stand up to russian tanks. they have anti tank weapons, but not sufficient numbers. at the end of the day, is going to be a long slog, that is going ...

Sanctions, that's the first thing. second, we need to be very, very quick about resupplying ukraine with any tank weapons, any acre weapons, ammunition and food. >> one of the things we know, jack is 14 wide bodied planes landed yesterday. they had guns, ammo. tell us how that helps specifically but what about the concern that without a no-fly zone it's just delaying the inevitable? >> well, it's going to be very difficult under the best of circumstance for ukraine who's army entire army is only the size of the invasion force to in a conventional war resist the russian onslaught. that's not go...

Out but they will make up for their lack of high level of training. they will make up for it with more blunt force and with maps. that is going to be one thing. what does that mean for us? that means ukrainians will continue to need empty tank weapons, air defense weapons and you can sort of feel the power of wooestern europe and the unid states pushing these things in. also, turkey diseciding it will close the turkish straits to russian navy ship. this is a huge deal. first time ever. this was will send a signal to russia that they are -- they've got to deal with problems other than what's ri...

Continue. and we're going to have to do as good a job as we possibly can to give to the ukrainians what they need, tank weapons, more of those, antiaircraft weapons, ammunitions, small arms and automatic weapons, and food. the thing to keep our mind on is the fact that if the russian forces from the north link up with those from the south, they're going to cut off the ukrainian army that's in the east. then all the refugees who are there are going to get cut off too. in any case there are going to be 2 to 4 million refugees streaming over to the west, which is a disaster in its on right. the r...