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And steve schmidt. you know what it is like to be under somebody running the country, what is it when top official according to the times, a senior administrative official saying this guy is reckless. >> well, chris, it is an extraordinary and historic op-ed, the reference john mccain at the end of it. and my first thought was to think of john mccain's story as a prisoner of war in vietnam, and the comfort that the prisoners took, communication with the other prisoners through tap code, through the wall. the first thing i would like to say as someone in the resistance on the outside is thank y...

Issue of waterboarding and torture. >> yes. >> he was your partner, he had your back. what are your thoughts about him as we memorialize him this week? >> my thoughts about him are very strong. he's going to be really missed. when the torture report came out, it was very controversial. and i went to the floor. as soon as i finished, i turned around and mccain was right there speaking. we subsequently actually went to gau guantanamo, this is kind of a cute story. as you know, the detention facilities there are very difficult if not deplorable. but the people there are all accused of having part...

Code so they could tap on the wall and communicate. this tap code was like a morse code. and so as we were flying in the air, he was tapping and saying what the tapping meant. and to this very day, he retained that. and that was amazing to me. he was a very independent -- he could have very sobering outbursts, but when the chips were down, john mccain was there with heart and muscle and it made a difference. it makes a difference to the senate. and i know it made a difference to the republican party. and yes, it made a difference for those of us who are democrats as well. john mccain in my boo...

His cell mate on the other side of the wall had been required to memorize poems in school. they developed, all the pows, the tap code to communicate. he taught mccain the poem that he had been taught in school. one of them was "the creation of sack mcgee" who grew up in the white horse area in the yukon territory. then mccain disappeared. he hopped in a car and didn't come back for an hour or two. came back eyes shining because there was the residence of this poet whose work he had learned in tap. he then proceeded to both recite it verbally and in tap all those years later. >> dana: he himsel...