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It i can't guarantee it, but it's about as close as i can come to a guarantee. i'm quite sure that they identified, and interviewed, and possibly even brought to the grand jury any number of those four witnesses. and i respect that you will see those witnesses at the trial as well. and, if any of those witnesses takes the stand, they'll be asked things like, they will stop the tape at a particular tint hot point. and say, okay at that moment, when he made that comment, what was in his hand? and they will describe the docket that was in his hand. and they will say, did you actually say what was...

In the suburbs of places like -- philadelphia. >> right. and the thing is -- there's some hard-core supporters who will say it doesn't matter that donald trump is a liar, doesn't matter that he sold classified documents, doesn't matter that he obstructed justice, doesn't matter that he broke the law, doesn't matter that he kept lying and moved documents the day before they were coming down to get the documents. it doesn't matter that he got caught on tape lying. they'll say that. but when you go a little bit below the surface for them, they go, i'm so exhausted by the sky. right? when they are...

Appointee, does that start chipping away at those voters we're always talking about in the suburbs, places like atlanta and milwaukee and philadelphia? >> right. yeah, and the thing is, jonathan lemire, that's the point. i mean, there's some hard core supporters who will say it doesn't matter that donald trump is a liar. it doesn't matter that he stole classified documents. it doesn't matter that he obstructed justice. it doesn't matter that he broke the law. it doesn't matter that he kept lying and that he moved documents the day before they were coming down to get the documents. it doesn't m...

We live in this element where it's not even a race between idealogies anymore. it's not republican or democrat or conservative and liberal. it's reality versus alternative reality. this reality of their own choosing. and to make it even worse, they don't care about lying. lying, bold-faced, caught on tape lying is no longer a deal breaker at all. they don't care. they know, they don't know, it doesn't matter to them. he's their guy. >> how much of trump's success is he comes from this much larger world than the political world, the world of celebrity. this thing from dr. ramer said there is on...

We're back with reports of voter fraud from the right. a republican operative has been arrested in virginia. collin small is charged with 13 counts of voter registration fraud. he's accused of destroying voting registration cards. s small is headed by this man, nathan sproul whose company was just fired over a separate investigation of voter registration fraud. and another one of sproul's employees, a woman in colorado, was recently caught on tape lying about who she really worked for and registered only republican voters but now a former republican employee is facing criminal charges for alle...