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Today to help some homeowners who are still underwater. shaun donovan, secretary of housing and urban development joins us as the president wings his way to las vegas to unveil all of this. mr. secretary thanks for joining us. there are i think 11 million homeowners underwater. how many will be helped by this plan? >> well, andrea, we're still working out the final details over the next few weeks but there are about 4 million homeowners who have a fannie mae or freddie mac mortgage, are under water today, and have interest rates significantly above today's current rates. that's the target popu...

That particular impetus is gone. >> and he had become a larger than life figure. i mean calling him a robin hood of his movement doesn't even approach what he had become to some people. he was this singular figure who was able to thumb his nose at the united states and really the rest of the civilized world and pull off these attacks and then gloat about them. >> remember, much of the recruiting for al-qaeda was done and the drop was for 11, 12 and 13-year-old boys. that target population where someone like a semblance of evil like this man would draw potential terrorists into his web so they ...

These other millions of folks who just have left the labor force, it would be much higher. >> it would be. >> here is another very disturbing number in today's numbers that just came out. among everyone, 9.5% unemployment. among whites 8.6%. among blacks it's 15.6%. among latinos 12.1%. among those looking for work. let's talk about blacks. 15.6%. is there anything special you the labor secretary are doing to help these folks, almost double the unemployment rate for the country as a whole? >> one thing we did do through partnership grants is target areas that had for example 15% or higher rate...

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