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He is someone who had the president's ear. i think that relationship is a key focus for mueller and the team. >> a question of did roger stone go to the president and say hey, i have this stuff. if they were having phone conversations or meeting, i mean, i think obviously that's got to be a key part of the inquiry here, what did the president know about this. >> right. so what mueller does in terms of if he were to bring charges, what kind of charges. as dana said, he indicated he might get indicted, but indicated he might get indicted for tax issues or financial issues, and teeing that up as ...

Ripped up right there. >> right. >> he wouldn't have been able to sign it. >> there's a lot of confusion. michael cohen pleas, there's a question of a cooperation agreement. he's pleaded guilty to federal crimes, implicated the president in directing him to commit the federal crimes and he's now sat down with investigators for 50 hours. his sentencing has not happened yet. >> it happens in december. >> presumably he is hoping that the cooperation helps him on that? >> from my reporting he does not have an official cooperating agreement. but he has assisted and cooperated with investigators bot...

Down with investigators for 50 hours. his sentencing has not happened yet. >> it happens in december. >> presumably he is hoping that the cooperation helps him on that? >> from my reporting he does not have an official cooperating agreement. but he has assisted and cooperated with investigators both in the sdny. >> with mueller. >> in the special counsel's office and with new york state who is looking into -- >> tax issues. >> tax issues and trump foundation. >> what's he telling? >> i don't exactly know. but i do know -- >> he has talked to mueller's team. >> he has talked to mueller's team, ...

Associated with money launderers. there were reports about some drug trafficking people associated with that deal. so it is underscrutinized but -- >> well, until you guys came along. >> the trumps, they make their money and when the deal tails, th -- deal fails, they walk away and say we were just the licensers. >> the tax issues that are not prosecutable today because of statute of limitations. i'll be curious to see what comes from wnyc and propublica. >> and we have a podcast. >> thank you for coming on. coming up, he was long called donald trump's fixer. now michael cohen said he's

And certainly some of the moderate republicans may not have liked trump's tactics, but they liked the outcome. that's the concern that i think we have to pushback. >> don't hlike him as a person. like what he does. >> right and i think democrats are in a position to rewrite the narrative. i don't believe voters feel whatever positive effects the trump economic policy has. when you combine that, i think the immigration fight, they're not going to be voting on trump policies exclusively. they'll be voting on a lot of emotion, because some of what trump is selling hasn't trickled down to them yet...