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The new budget proposal plans to eliminate higher education research, teacher development programs and the popular public service loan forgiveness program. noipi joining me now is yamiche alcindor. this doesn't address a recent fundamental republican concern that it eliminates budget deficits and ultimately goes to pay the debt down and yet it cuts things that as we've heard from democrats are nonstarters. i wonder initially whether this is going down a road toward a shutdown? >> i think it might be going down a road toward a shutdown, but i think we know that president's budgets usually aren'...

>> yeah. our school day goes to 5:15. most public schools get out at 2:30. >> three more hours of lear up a student that goes to success academy from kindergarten to eighth grade gets two extra years of learning than they would have gotten in traditional public school. >> if i was a parent living in that neighborhood i would absolutely demand that my kid go to the charter school rather than the public school. it doesn't work that way, does it? >> unfortunately, the heart ache is we had 23,000 applications for only 2200 spots. >> 2300 -- >> 23,000 applications for 2200 spots. so parents have se...