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Two parents that have to work a lot, so they provide important early childhood education. they provide quality daycare. they provide enriching after school programs. those kids are constantly stimulated by caring, loving adults. we know as psychologists that the first five years are everything. that's where you're teaching empathy. if a parent is not home, how can they do it? >> steve: you look at the story out of duncan, oklahoma, the so-called thrill kill where that australian 22-year-old man was shot in the back because the kids were bored, there is chris lane right there, the moms out of t...

Going through this? >> i don't think that the problem is getting any better at all. there's about 30% of the kids in the country are being bullied or are victims of bullying. and it's not really getting any better. parents need to take steps to help their kids and to interact with the school to help to stop this. >> okay, specifically, though, this is what we talk about all the time, but what works with bullies? does teaching kids how to stand up to them work? does adults saying, hey, stop bullying, what works? >> well, teaching kids how to stand up to bullies really doesn't work that well. on...