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To the uses of religion." welcome. it's a pleasure to have you here. >> thank you so much. thanks for having me. >> now you talk, i'm about 100 pages into the book and really enjoying it. one of the things you point out is that we're sort of stuck in this tired debate between believers and nonbelievers when nonbelievers really have a lot to learn from the if not the supernatural sides of religion, from the practices of religion, say more about that. >> that's right. i mean being an atheist has become associated with not believing in god but wanting nothing to do with religion. that's an outmod...

It in a way to get some results, you're going to end on the pages of "wall street journal". i think it's idealistic, that teaching ethics will eradicate improper people, but i'm optimistic is what we're going to see enough individuals that are doing positive things that is going to end up, sadly not making the events disappear but put them in a proper context. >> he hopes it will curb future disasters in the world of business. >> gregg: jonathan, thanks. with all the developments in the sec scandal, goldman sachs case, we know a lot are checking foxnews.com and now there is a new appfor that...