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Defeated idealogically as well? >> i think, yes, it always seemed to me that it would be likely that isis would be defeated militarily, people who have reported on the war, friend or mine, french journalist said the thing about isis is they're good terrorists, but their bad soldiers. when you confront them on the battlefield, they run away. that's probable. the difficulty now is that there will be an extent of the splintering of the dangers, so i think we may face more of the individual low tech attacks that we have been seeing across europe with people driving trucks into civilian populations...

At ohio university, a car and knife attack. in december, 12 people were killed in berlin when a tunisian man drove into a tractor-trailer in march. five people were killed when a man drove an suv on to a crowded sidewalk along westminster bridge in london. similar tactics were used in barcelona and berlin. the list going on and on. analysts say it's nearly impossible to prevent these low tech attacks. in new york city, they used barriers to protect large gatherings. i want to bring in our own louis bergdorf who is witness to the after math of what took place in downtown manhattan yesterday, lo...

Their followers on how to carry out such an attack. >> dana: joining me now retired green beret commander, former commander to vice president cheney, fox news contributor and friend, of course. michael, i want to show you something for the center from the counter terrorism project. isis issued a call to kill nonbelievers with a knife or run him over with your car. there have been 34 attacks since then. these are low tech attacks. they've killed 196 people and injured more than 1049 others since 2006. how is this all related to what we've been talking about in the past couple of weeks about gre...

You there will come a time when the field of battle will no longer be in the sands of the mideast but the streets of the united states. based on intelligence and information it will become a reality. >> bill: they want to take down aircraft. intelligence is clear on that. you don't dispute that. >> i don't dispute that. i believe and i can tell you this since president trump took office he has increased the national security apparatus to intercept and collect intelligence and information. i believe with that in mind that this is accurate intelligence. >> bill: she also says this. they need to ...

To deal with the kinds of terror threats we have been seeing around the world. some of the low tech attacks. the same units you often see them now outside popular tourist attractions in new york city. we see them outside on rockefeller plaza in times square, empire state building. this is what they're trained to do and you're seeing them in action here. >> lester, one of the reasons to do this over and over again and one of the reasons that new yorkers get used to seeing some of it is to create a muscle memory so that when it happens, there's a calmness around it, not a franticness, not a pani...