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Beverly holberg of the district media group at the heritage foundation will be at today's hearing and joins us now. thank you for being here. it will be a different day than google's ceo is used to. >> even when you talk about in september you have these other big tech ceos it is facebook and twitter going before the senate you had an empty chair by google. this will be the first time we are going to hear from this. i hope we have some tough questions by the congressman who are there, not grandstanding, not taking all the airtime because they have limited time for their questions but putting t...

Have cleared definitions around hate speech. >> joining me now, nbc news senior business reporter ben popkin and live, "washington post" tech policy reporter tony robb. thanks for being here. that seemed unsatisfying. these tech ceos are never fantastic testimony or tv, but this didn't feel like sundar was ready for prime time. there's the privacy issue, which we often talk about. there's the political manipulation of the internet. there's the question about youtube and the hate that gets spread. that's something -- you've dug into all of these things. what in your opinion is the biggest issue...

This testimony that zuckerberg had. what should he take away from zuckerberg's previous testimony in how he should handle this hearing, what kind of information he should kind of volunteer or how he should dress some of the issues? >> well, look, i think the point being made about the sort of, you know, ineptitude of congress and of lawmakers when it comes to frankly the internet and social media, really works in his advantage. we sort of look at a hearing like this as sort of the culmination of congressional pressure on silicon valley as though this is going to be a huge moment in which the t...

Those that are out liars and worried don't feel they can voice the concern. that is worrying. you need people willing to speak up and sound the alarm. >> thank you all. great conversation. david, alex and as promised after the break. you'll get your special interview. kara saturday down with salesforce ceo marc benioff. she sat down with him before the face bike story. he had striking things to say about the social media giant and other tech ceos. today, 97% of employers agree

In doing so we might grant them powers that down the road we would rather have kept for ourselves in a democratic way. >> lots of employees have reached out to you since the report. one can say lots of companies have anonymous sources people at the water cooler who are unhappy. this is different from just people who are saying work is stinky. >> it is. it's because facebook internally has such a happy go lucky culture. more than any other tech company i have covered. there's a vibe at facebook is everybody is drinking the cool aid and happy to be there. mark gets on stage and has a rallying ca...