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And clearly you see it as part of the give and take. >> this is the perception. >> right. one very brief question. in the videotape you have put on line, we notice a dissolve about halfway through. is this the full tape that you had? >> yes, this was the full tape. this is the full tape. we spent hours with it. there may be some tech glitch in there. we will receive the hard tape in the morning and upload again from that. >> ben jealous, appreciate your time. thank you. i was short of breath,

That's what this story was about. they knew when this woman got up to talk and the style she was talking, she was telling a story about how she almost went the wrong way but ended up going the right way. we hear that in church frequently. >> okay. because i know all about call and response and have been to a lot of meetings and church gatherings where that occurs but in your original statement you pointed that out as a problem. and clearly you see it as part of the give and take. >> this is the perception. >> right. one very brief question. in the videotape you have put on line, we notice a di...

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