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Able to find these messages i have been sending using this system, and there's an amazing moment where the tech person says they're gone for ever, and her answer is perfect. perfect. there's no way to find these records of lois lerner talking with other irs officials on this instant messaging system about how to target tea party groups. so the records have just vanished, the hard drives have just vanished. it gets more absurd by the day, this irs abuse scandal. >> this happens at the same time that one of the parties is demanding an outside third party forensic examiner be allowe@"re take a lo...

Able to find these messages i have been sending using this system, and there's an amazing moment where the tech person says they're gone for ever, and her answer is perfect. perfect. there's no way to find these records of lois lerner talking with other irs officials on this instant messaging system about how to target tea party groups. so the records have just vanished, the hard drives have just vanished. it gets more absurd by the day, this irs abuse scandal. >> this happens at the same time that one of the parties is demanding an outside third party forensic examiner be allowe@"re take a lo...

Able to find these messages i have been sending using this system, and there's an amazing moment where the tech person says they're gone for ever, and her answer is perfect. perfect. there's no way to find these records of lois lerner talking with other irs officials on this instant messaging system about how to target tea party groups. so the records have just vanished, the hard drives have just vanished. it gets more absurd by the day, this irs abuse scandal. >> this happens at the same time that one of the parties is demanding an outside third party forensic examiner be allowe@"re take a lo...

It is our fault that these exchanges are not working. a company is -- is probably not going to admit that because then that company would have to absorb all of the costs of fixing, it right? >> right. it's definitely not in their interest to come out and say, we messed this thing up. however, we are expecting to get a little bit more of an idea of who the other guy says messed this thing up. so, there could be a certain amount of finger-pointing between and among the contractors without naming names, if you will. >> oh, i bet there will be lots of finger pointing. joe johns, stick around. than...

Frustration from democrats and for -- you know, you asked the congresswoman, she said it might be both technical and management problems. i think that at the end of the day you're seeing democrats distance themselves from the administration's implementation of this as fast as they possibly can. they don't want people to think -- >> it compounds the difficulty for the administration, doesn't it? bipartisan criticism. >> they're saying it's not the law we wrote, it's the administration's ability to put it into effect. that ultimately will be the biggest problem for barack obama and for kathleen ...