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Cockpit. turn backs because of that were fairly common because they are going to turn -- they are not going to diagnose it. they are going to start for the ground. so that's a challenge but i don't think it's an insurmountable challenge. perhaps they can be designed with very low voltages. >> the trouble is, you mentioned air france flight 447, one of the changes after that was that the pingers have to send out pings for more than 30 days and that plane went down -- what is it -- five years ago. even if a decision was made today, it might be a number of years before the 20,000 planes are are f...

>> well, certainly, they need to update the current statutory regulatory framework in light of the fact that we've moved from a telephone world to an internet world is why the white house coordinator howard schmidt is studying the rules and regulations to decide how they can be updated and regulated but what we have to do is make sure we can maintain the critical flow of communication on which our nation depends even when there's a cyber attack or natural disaster and that kind of work requires the private sector to be actively involved in developing and implementing those kinds of solutions. ...