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The current health care benefit onto our employees. i socked our retirees with a big health care bill. and we are looking at outsourcing a number of the services that we provide. i am not a big believer in the fact that the private sector can always do it better, but sometimes when you're looking at the overhead on our personnel and there may be opportunities so we begin to unload pieces of things that we've done for a very long time. none of these choices are ones that we like to make. there are always efficiencies because technologies change, circumstances change, but the core issues are you...

>> weshlgs we're all hope thath economy starts to grow but you can't depend ones that. you have to bring your budget into line with the current realities. and there are cuts in services, there have to be. we're also pushing more costs off on to our employees, we're all dealing with health care costs. we, too, are looking at self-insurance but we're also pushing more of the cost of the current health care benefit on to our employees. i socked our retirees why a big health care bill and we're looking at outsourcing a number of the services that we provide. aim not a big believer in the fact that...