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Make sure they are taken care of. but the fact of the matter is, for society, this is a gigantic net benefit. >> jake wrote this article for democracy journal saying that it is time to look to california for a path forward. what is that path? >> well -- you want me to go on that? >> let me go to jake here, tom. >> i think tom has really hit the nail on the head in terms of the studies that they have spearheaded over at next gen which show the clean energy economy is promising and already delivering on a promise to create new jobs, to innovate technology. but really when we look at the leadersh...

Another security expert 0 who shays the feds have taken steps. >> from a technology perspective, some technology they implemented is top notch, it's what you expect in a top tier operation center. >> the expert also said the federal government has much higher security standards and corporations than the private sector. mike emanuel is following this. a lot of personal information. >> these experts were careful with language, not wanting to give hackers a guide to weaknesses in -- one problem is it wents up quickly. >> the information could be accessed and the real damage would be afterwards, t...

Know, barring the fact of having rules of engagement, tracing back exactly the point of origin is one of the more sophisticated aspects of trying to locate which actor has -- >> jon: because this all came to a head when the pentagon said okay, we've got a new policy now, we're going to consider cyber warfare an act of war, if you come after our network, we're going to come after you. the problem is, how do you identify who's coming after you? >> and taking a step further, how do you isolate if it's a hack attack or if it's politically motivated or truly cyber warfare where you have a nation-sp...