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>> i don't know anything specific about this, but i do know he has certain concerns about the legislation that we may be able to come to terms on. >> so it's bridgeable? >> i think -- as i said to him, i read the op-ed. you left the door open. >> oh, you talked to him about it? >> of course, yeah. but we were actually -- our conversations were more about the commission and in the course of that conversation. but in any case, let's just put this in its proper place. our democracy is at stake. what the republicans are doing across the country, even since we wrote -- we've had this in the electio...

Specific about this, but i do know he has certain concerns about the legislation that we may be able to come to terms on. >> so it's bridgeable? >> i think -- as i said to him, i read the op-ed. you left the door open. >> oh, you talked to him about it? >> of course, yeah. but we were actually -- our conversation was more about the commission and in the course of that conversation. but in any case, let's just put this in its proper place. our democracy is at stake. what the republicans are doing across the country, even since we wrote -- we've had this in the election of 2018. 100 candidates w...

And, again, to give voice to small donors and the grassroots. >> so a lot of that is the part that senator manchin says he doesn't support doing now. >> i read the op-ed, and you read part of it. i think he left the door open. i think it's ajar. i'm not giving up. and i wanted to ask you about that, because you're not just reading an op-ed. you have a relationship with him. >> um-hmm. >> is there something you know that we don't know? or a lot of people in your caucus that are upset don't know about joe manchin and the possibility of getting this election reform through the senate? >> i don't ...

Congresswoman ocasio-cortez both addressed manchin's critical role. >> i think we need to talk about the elephant in the room, which are senate democrats blocking crucial items in a democratic agenda for very, i think, for reasons that i don't think hold a lot of water. i think the older school way of accepting the role of lobbyists in washington absolutely has a role in joe manchin's thinking. >> is there something you don't know that we don't know or a lot of people in the caucus don't know about joe manchin and the possibility of this election reform? >> i don't know about this but i know h...

The agreement comes to terms on, and you'll notice that some of the usual suspects on the right, like the club for growth outside groups that used to sort of excoriate their own fellow republicans for voting for this kind of spending, they're out there railing against, it's now all of a sudden like a tree falling in the forest in some ways, as you noted there doesn't seem to be a ground swell on either side of the aisle or either end of pennsylvania avenue to reign in the deficits of the dead. >> no, the tea party we've been hearing as well when we look at all of this. we talked about all thes...