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>> towers. >> the air stats, observation devices, mounted in certain terrain features. uavs for sure. sensors. in places perhaps that the wall can't be built or won't be built in, you know, any time soon in terms of the effort of that project, but yes, sir. >> finally, the moral of our border patrol is not real good. and i think you know from your leadership experiences that if the moral of your force is not good, then it's hard to get the mission accomplished. and i hope -- i know you're aware of that and i hope you'll spend some time with these really outstanding men and women who are doing ...

Features. they even went a step further, they allowed themselves to be filmed with mountains, shrubbery, terrain showing, pretty easy for the yemenis to understand exactly the region where this was taking place when they see those terrain features. this is an area in two provinces. it looks like this, so it began to provide the key intelligence to figure out perhaps where some of these people were. and the key question is, was that intelligence critical enough, was it crucial, did it lead to those raids we saw over the weekend? wolf? >> barbara, stand by. i want to bring in peter burrgen and o...

Terrain features, getting the blueprints for the estate he was staying at, room to room. it's important in an operation like this, colonel jacobs will tell you, it's important to know where you are on the ground when you go looking for them on the ground. that all occurred over months and months and months, satellites, everything, the pakistanis were completely precluded from even a hint of any of that information for nearly a year. >> mika, of course, before we go to our next guest, i'm sure richard will agree with me, we do need to put the u.s.-pakistani relationship in its proper context. t...