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That someone who has gone to pakistan, trained in a terrorist camp, comes back, makes repeated calls back and forth to pakistan, we should have some intelligence that this person may be a threat to us as a society. >> all right. >> that's what was lacking. >> roger, let me ask you one thing that obviously i think we may be able to agree on, that is that the airline screwed up. >> yes. >> what happened there. i mean, that obviously was a great breach, they allowed somebody on a no-fly list to get on a plane going to dubai. >> and almost leave. >> let me agree with the governor on one point. we ...

That's when it became serious. do i think it's part of a broader trend? no, i don't. there's several dozen cases of americans investigated for ties to islamic extremist sin past years. you have to pay attention to it but be careful not to overstate it. >> are the agencies in charge of protecting us prepared to look for terror suspects who have these western appearances as in the case of colleen and jamie, or do they pretty under a profile of what a terrorist looks like or should in some people's minds look like. >> important and very good question. the answer is they have to be looking for new...

It's not like they're not trying. it's just they're limited by their own ability and the ability of the taliban to blend into the local population and use that population to protect it. if the pakistani government and the pakistani intelligence service now has decided to go on the offensive for good, we could have real benefits over the long term here. >> if you talk to u.s. officials they'll tell you they think the senior leadership of al qaeda has been terribly undermined in its ability to plan and execute the big attacks. do you have to worry about the small scale lone wolf types that might...

Additional time. >> eric: terrorism would as well. but is one more severe increase than the other. >> greg: it is weird. one should be enough. it should be -- it is like if you're terrorist, how could there be room for something else. >> kimberly: you have to reflect the record. he committed a hate crime, so then he doesn't hit in the criminal justice system and the terror database and the watch list, and that's very important to have the relevant information. >> dana: i was going to ask if it mattered to the prosecutor. so i guess you would have a different approach to prosecuting the case, i...

They see that he was in touch with some people they were interested in. he himself was never on a watch list or terror database. >> that's a pretty large arsenal that they had. >> yes. >> this is not -- you would not suspect he would have the type of money, amount of money he made, decent middle class income. this suggested he must have had some resources to purchase all of this ammunition and have the weapons that he had. what do we know about where these weapons came from? >> he bought the handguns himself but he did not buy the assault weapons, we're told. somebody else did. they have ident...