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In this rahm emanuel said to the president, according to these reports, you know, we need to give lindsey graham what he wants on this because if we want give lindsey graham what he wants on this he's going to make things very difficult for us in terms of closing guantanamo bay, and now we see this whole thing emerging that the president is going to focus on who's going to pay for the trials, and that was lindsey graham's tool to try to cut off the funding to have these in new york. are we seeing rahm emanuel emerge here as the one comes out of this thing saying now we're going to try it my wa...

Intelligence six weeks after the fact. these are two different people. it's as if we are talking about two different cases in two different descriptions. >> bret: a.b., robert gibbs was asked numerous times what does happen next and he wouldn't be pinned down. >> i think, you know, the bush administration mirandized terrorists and put them through civilian trials, i think that after -- what happened at fort hood, i think what happened with the would-be christmas day bombing, which would have killed hundreds of people and more on the ground, americans are frightened and the political tide is tu...

Emanuel's point view the policy didn't match the politics of this, it may be good policy to treat them as common criminals and sent them to federal court but it didn't work in policy, telling it to the federal government and the security and cost of doing so. megyn: catherine, thank you so much. this news on the terror trials comes a day after dramatic images were released from the day of two on -- of 9/11, it's six -- it's of pictures not yet seen taken by helicoptering, it gives you a better sense of the tidal wave of dust and debris on manhattan that day, the images are being used as part o...

Stick it on every bill possible until it gets passed to hold back fund -- funding for civilian trials. he's confident, and i think this white house is less confident that they can steer congress to provide that funding and i think eventually you may see, as i mentioned, this white house back down on this issue, which is interesting in the perspective of the christmas day bomber and the mirandiseing and how this all came to a head at once. it was not good time for selling this thank you and it never really took off, the public never bought into the civilian trial, at least overall if you look a...

House is taking serious lu the suggestion to hold the trials within walking distance of where the twins towers once stood. martha: big changes, carolyn shively is in washington. caroline, tell me about this, the president's decision to step in, a lot of people felt he may have been part of the initial discussion in the first place. >> reporter: likely the reason he's steping in is because of that backlash. the white house originally stayed out of this entirely saying it was a justice department issue but the president and administration has taken major hits over this, the president and adminis...