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Countries without sustaining a permanent military presence or fighting in a war. and that is what we intend to do with respect to afghanistan, as well. this isn't a question whether we're clear eyed about the terrorist challenge from afghanistan. it's about whether the terrorist challenge in 2021 is fundamentally different from the terrorist challenge in 2001. we believe it is fundamentally different and we need to be post t -- postured to deal with the terrorism challenges we find today as opposed to 20 years ago. >> can you shed light on the decision to leave behind blackhawks and other equi...

Suppressing the threat to the u.s. homeland in those countries without sustaining a permanent military presence or fighting in a war. that is what we intend to do with respect to afghanistan as well. this is not a question about whether we're clear-eyed about the terrorist challenge from afghanistan. it is about whether the terrorist challenge in 2021 is fundamentally different from the terrorist challenge in 2001. we believe it is fundamentally different and we need to be postured effectively to deal with the terrorism challenges as we find it today as opposed to 20 years ago. >> can you shed...

>> this is not a question about whether we're clear-eyed about the terrorist challenge from afghanistan. it's about whether the terrorist challenge in 2021 is different from the terrorist challenge in 2001. we believe it is fundamentally different and we need to be postured effectively to deal with the terrorist challenges as opposed to 20 years ago. >> neil: all right. what that means i have no idea. the signal seems to be the taliban might sound a lot different but is it all that different 20 years later. general jerry boykin joins us, former undersecretary of defense. what do you think? a d...

Counterterrorism opportunities to meet the threats where they are. make no mistake, our military and intelligence leaders are confident they have the capabilities to protect the homeland and our interest from any resurgent terrorist challenge emerging or emanating from aeffghanistan. we are developing a counterterrorism over the horizon capability that will allow us to keep our eyes firmly fixed and any direct threats to the united states in the region and act quickly and decisively if needed. we also need to focus on shoring up america's core strengths to meet the strategic competition with c...

In south asia and the middle east, and africa. but make no mistake, our military and intelligence leaders are confident, they have the capabilities to protect the homeland, and our interests from any resurgent terrorist challenge in emerging aura emanating from afghanistan. we are developing a counterterrorism programme the horizon capability and it would allow us to keep our eyes firmly fixed in any direct threats to the united states in the region and act quickly and decisively if needed. there also need to focus on sharing up there also need to focus on sharing up america's core strengths t...