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Out realistically what's an effective strategy for dealing with this that doesn't over rely on using sledge hammers and military force and undermine the effective tools we do have to disrupting terrorist finance, for instance, disrupting terrorist communications. i'm cautiously optimistic these hearings do represent some renewed willingness to take a serious issue seriously. maybe i'm -- i hope i'm not wrong, but i would like to think so. >> your optimism about it, you have moved me to feel more optimistic about it. i guess i should feel that way about the fact you agreed to speak at hearing, ...

Global terrorism's threat today is sort of like war in some ways, it's sort of like crime in other ways. maybe we need to get past this either/or stuff and figure out realistically what's an effective strategy for dealing with this that doesn't overrely on using sledgehammers and military force and undermine the effective tools we do have to disrupting terrorist finance, for instance, disrupting terrorist communications. i'm cautiously optimistic these hearings do represent some renewed willingness to take a serious issue seriously. maybe i'm -- i hope i'm not wrong, but i would like to think ...

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